Friday, August 18, 2006

Revelation today

We all want to know the future, it's why people study the stars or tea leaves or whatever to try to know what will happen. 'Will I meet a tall dark stranger?' as the BBC news put it recently, and then commented 'it would probably be a tax man'.

Events in Lebanon this summer have got me wondering about the so called 'end times', the time running up to Jesus return. So I re-read the last book in the Bible a couple of times, trying to see if I could match what I was seeing in the world with what I had read in the Bible.

The more I read Revelation the more it didn't look like a blow by blow schedule of events to come, but a visionary description what will happen on a spiritual level. A friend of mine had been reading Eugene Peterson's book 'Reversed Thunder' which looks it Revelation as a book written by a pastor, poet and theologian. As such Peterson sees John's 'subject is God (not crytographic esoterica) and that his context is is pastoral (not alarmist entertainment)'.

So why do so many people see Revelation is a literal day by day, blow by blow prediction of events to come? Those of us who come from the charismatic or pentecostal sides of the church have a current experience of visions today. In prayer we might see pictures or visions, which reveal something God is trying to communicate with us.

Today I was discussing this with someone who cited an example of a vision that came to someone he knew of the palm trees along the sea front all bending down. People who heard this vision interpreted it spiritually, not literally. Yet many in the charismatic and pentecostal sides of the church read Revelation and try to interpret it literally.

Dispensationalists are people who believe that time is broken up into distrinct chunks and one of those chuncks was the time for God to give spiritual gifts to people, but that He stopped doing that nearly 2000 years ago. Because of their belief that God no longer gives spiritual gifts today they don't believe that He gives pictures or visions to people today. They are therefore ill-equipped to interpret visions as they are alien to their daily life.

It appears to me that dispensationalists are basically cultural modernists, wanting everything to be in neat packages that can mechanistically be understood. As such they are a relatively recent group who reject the conservative understanding of scripture thus interpreting it liberally. Ah, now there's an anomaly, because most dispensationalists would be self-professessed conservatives accusing others of liberal interpretations of scripture.

So why (and I have no answer here) do charistmatics and pentecostals, who reject the basic tenets of dispensationalists then use their technique of systematic theology to analyse a book that is a poetic treatise?

People who analyse Shakespeare often miss the enjoyment of the play. The Daily Star quotes and old joke about William Shakespeare being an Arab - how else, it explains, can you account for the name, Sheikh Zubair. Certainly the playwright's preoccupation with despotic leaders, times of civil unrest and bloodshed fit in perfectly with the tempestuous nature of contemporary Arab politics. Maybe there will be some people who see Othello as prophecy of current events in Cyprus!

3 comments:

Seven Star Hand said...

Hello Richard,

RE:"The more I read Revelation the more it didn't look like a blow by blow schedule of events to come, but a visionary description what will happen on a spiritual level."

You've made the first step to understanding the truth about these ancient texts. Read my missive below as well as the articles on my blog and web site. Download my free E-book to understand just how accurate your insight is. Yes, it does encode prophecy, but it is not presented literally as Christians have been misled to believe.

The purpose of the symbology used to construct and "seal" ancient prophecies is an ancient philosophical technology. It encapsulates and encodes spiritual wisdom, among other pivotal knowledge. This is the true long-lost "Pilosophers' Stone" of Melchizedek.

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I pose to you and others that the meaning of these ancient texts have been lost on those confused by the assertions of religious leaders and founders. Ancient wisdom has been purposely recast and obfuscated into religion and mysticism. Consequently, the interpretations you and others present about the meaning of these texts and the philosophy and cosmology of ancient Hebrew sages is completely wrong. Before you scoff and write me off, you should understand that I speak from personal experience...

Understanding the Fatal Flaws in Judeo-Christian-Islamic Prophecy

Remember the saying that "the truth will set you (and others) free?" How does "opening one's eyes to the truth" relate to "making the blind see again" or "shining the light" or "illuminating a subject?" Notice the inherent symbolism associated with this supposed New Testament "miracle?"

As certain world leaders strive to instigate a fabricated "battle of Armageddon," it is vital to understand and spread the truth about these ancient texts to help bring about an end to such abominable evil. You can never expect philosophies based on lies and great error to lead to peace and harmony. How many more millennia of terrible proof is necessary before humanity finally gets a clue that most have been utterly deceived by the very concept of religion.

Without it, Bush, the Neo-Cons, and their cohorts could never have gained and retained political power by manipulating an already deluded and susceptible constituency. Likewise, their thinly veiled partners in crime, Bin Laden and his ilk, could never have succeeded in their roles in this centuries-old Vatican-led grand deception.

We are all trapped by a web of deception formed by money, religion, and politics. The great evils that bedevil us all will never cease until humanity finally awakens, shakes off these strong delusions, and forges a new path to the future.

Read the article here...

Peace...

Richard Fairhead said...

Remember the saying that "the truth will set you (and others) free?" How does "opening one's eyes to the truth" relate to "making the blind see again" or "shining the light" or "illuminating a subject?" Notice the inherent symbolism associated with this supposed New Testament "miracle?"

This is something proposed by many through the ages, though I have heard it quite a bit recently, interpreting the miracles of Jesus as metaphor rather than actuality.

You can never scientifically prove the miracles of Jesus, as scietific method requires a repeatable experiment. However, I have seen miracles happen today, not metaphors, but actual changes to the physiology of human beings in front of my eyes.

If someone wrote something about my wife or told me something about her that didn't fit I would not believe it. Why? Because I know my wife as a person. So it is with Jesus, because I know Him as a person I interpret what I hear in the context of that relationship.

One of the flaw that some people have is that they understand Jesus in terms of what they glean from the Bible. This is the wrong way round... we should interpret the Bible in terms of our relationship with Jesus.

I am downloading the e-book that 'Seven star hand' has written, and I will be evaluating it in those terms - my relationship with Jesus as the light to see the meaning.

Richard Fairhead said...

The book Seven Star Hand sent to me:

'As many of you know, Christianity has based its sole reason for existance on the prophecy of the "second comming" of an unverifiable fantasy messiah, whom they've most recently renamed Jesus Christ. This is a false name and a fantasy character that never existed.'

Interesting statement. Interesting because the author obviously doen't know Jesus as a person. If he had met Him then he would have known that Jesus not only existed but He still exists and that when we get to know Him we realise that He is not fantasy.

The book starts from the relationship of the author to God and seeks to prove that the author is the Messiah. Eventuually all things come back to relationship. And knowing Jesus as I do I am comfortable seeing this book as a load of bunk.